E307: 스테이시 바넷(Stacy Barnett) - 노즈워크에서의 공기 흐름 이해하기

And when you have, you know, buildings and stuff, you're going to have like, the wind is going to bend around those buildings. It's going to bend around structures, that sort of thing. And then kind of like at your micro, micro level, you're going to have your airflow is actually going to vary depending upon how you set your hide. So you could have actually airflow that's very more local specifically to where the hide is set. So when you think about airflow, the, you know, all of these things, we're kind of thinking about that how the air moves through the search area. And that's kind of affected from a lot of different, there's a lot of different factors that drive that. And ultimately, it's going to affect how your dog searches and how successful they're going to be and what they're going to learn. So, so that's kind of what we're, what we're thinking when we're thinking airflow. It's not really like fans and stuff, you know, we're, we're thinking about like, you know, that when we go somewhere, like we're, what's going to happen here? You know, so yes, yeah, it's kind of cool stuff. So what do we know, like scientifically kind of about how air moves, especially since it's something, you know, we can't really see? How is it that we kind of study that? Yeah. Things. Yeah. That's actually probably the hardest thing for people to kind of get their heads around, right? Because, I mean, we're very much, we're visual. We're very visual species, right? We're, we don't live through our noses like the dogs do. Um, you know, we're all about our eyes, maybe a little bit about our hearing depends on some of us more than others. Right. Um, but I can tell you one thing, like my sense of smell is just ridiculously poor. And when we compare that to our dogs, we're just on a different plane. Like our dogs like live in a totally different world than we do. Right. So it can be really hard as a human to kind of wrap your head around, um, airflow, because when we see something, especially like I see a lot of people, you know, they set out a hide and if their dog walks right past it, they're like, Oh, my dog missed the hide or my dog's not paying attention. And let's say the hides on a fence or something. I'm like, well, the air is blowing that odor right away from them. It's going through the fence. Your dog literally isn't going to know that the hides there, even if they can see it, because, um, you know, it, it, the, the dog has to intersect the order to, in order to be able to respond to it. Um, and that can be a hard thing for people to kind of get their heads around.

Um, but if we kind of think about, um, from a scientific perspective, a lot of the things that drive that, it really comes down to, I don't want to get like overly geeky cause I, you know, I don't want to lose people here. Um, but it goes down to, um, it's actually, you know, because of the gas laws and everything and you have your variances of, um, especially pressure and temperature really start to come into play here. Um, and when you have changes in temperature, you have changes in pressure, all of those things start to make air move. And, uh, we don't have to, you know, understand that from a, uh, like a, uh, an equation perspective, but it can be really helpful to know, uh, you know, we all, we all kind of heard, you know, warm air rises, right? I mean, we, we all kind of learned that, you know, down, you know, back in school, we learned warm air rises. We don't realize when we go off and we started to do nose work as a, you know, as a sport when we're, when we're out of, out of school and we've got our, got our dogs and stuff. And, um, we don't realize like that stuff like really matters. So things like temperature is going to make your air rise. And when it rises, for instance, this is as an example, when it rises, it's going to bring that odor up with it. So let's say you have an elevated hide and you have the sun hitting it while your dog may walk underneath the hide and not even know that it's there because that odor is going to go over their heads. Um, at the same time, uh, things like, uh, you know, pressure is when we have wind, wind is, um, wind is created by weather, um, which is kind of like your macro climate. Right. And a lot of that is, um, that is going to drive, um, a lot of those pressures are going to, going to change, um, you know, where that wind is coming from and that sort of thing or how much wind that you have. And we're going to, and our odor then gets carried on that wind. So it's super, super important to be able to understand what that wind is going to do so that you can anticipate what your odor is going to do so that you can set your hides appropriately. Um, and again, that kind of goes, you know, it starts out from the weather perspective and it goes down to the kind of the local perspective. Um, the other thing to think about is that air will bend around things. And that, that's the other part that I think is kind of cool. That's the part that's kind of gets into kind of the fluid flow mechanics and stuff like that. Um, if you kind of picture like a, you know, if you look at a stream and you see like a boulder in the stream, right.

And what, what does water do when it goes around a boulder, right. It bends around it. If you can kind of have that visual in your head, it can be really easy to start to think about what air does when it goes around buildings and what, you know, you know, what it might do or, or when it goes around different structures or vehicles or something like that. Um, that's a lot of like, you get a lot of the, the beyond kind of the, the pressure and temperature changes. Um, it starts to really kind of affect, um, direction of airflow and that sort of thing. Um, and if you can anticipate that, you know, it can really help you out. Yeah. Yeah. Um, when we're thinking about kind of airflow and then we're thinking about odor, um, does odor weigh down air? Does it like, how does that, how do odors themselves kind of move differently? And do you, Oh, it totally depends. Right. So if you're doing nose work, okay. If you're doing nose work, you're using essential oil. Unless, unless you're, you're, um, in Sweden, I know in Sweden they use hydrosols, um, which is actually even lighter than essential oil. Anyway, if we use essential oil, right. Essential oil is, we call it volatile. It has a very high vapor pressure. When something has a high vapor pressure, that means that it takes a lot of pressure from the atmosphere to keep those molecules from escaping off the Q-tip. Basically, it's what we're saying. So because it has a high vapor pressure, that means that those, those molecules, um, diffuse off that Q-tip rapidly and, and it creates this big scent cone. The other thing to know about essential oil is that's very buoyant. That odor is very buoyant. It lofts up very easily. It gets lifted with the sun, for instance, or with temperature. So like if you set a hide and a lot of people do this, like they set a hide and then they turn on the light because they want to be able to see what their dogs are doing. Now, have you ever noticed like those old style light bulbs get, they're kind of get kind of warm, don't they? Yeah. So you don't want to touch it to unscrew it. You know what I mean? Like it's going to burn your fingers. You have to let it cool off before you unscrew it, right? Well, that is enough to change your, your airflow in the entire room. So if you have that, that warm light bulb, right, that's actually going to cause some temperature gradients in your room and it's going to cause that odor to go up. Um, and it's just kind of like, all of a sudden it's like, I'll be watching a video and I'll say, um, you know, do you have a lamp on over to the left or do you have like

a sun, a window like off screen over to the right? If you're like, what, how did you know? I'm like, oh, you know, that's what your dog is telling me. It's kind of funny. Anyway, so that's how essential oil moves. It gets big, it goes up, it lofts. It's like, it's kind of like picture your essential oil is kind of like a, uh, like a, like a plume of smoke that kind of goes up, you know, it's, it's, it's just, it's, it's like a, like a, I'm picturing like balloons and a, you know, like helium balloons, you know, it goes up, right. Um, that is essential oil. However, if you're working a different type of odor, your odor may behave completely differently. Um, so for instance, a lot of our friends that do, um, like search and rescue and maybe, maybe look for human remains. Um, now, now just, uh, for the record, I don't, but I have a lot of friends that do. So, um, so I'm not speaking from actually having said it, but, um, I've been able to have the opportunity to watch a lot of dogs, uh, work it right. That odor is going to be a little bit heavier, so it's not going to loft up as much, right? So you're going to see that there's going to be differences in types of odor. Um, some types of odor, uh, depending on what your dog actually looks for may have a smaller scent cone. So like a smaller picture than a dogs that are working essential oil. The differences are just going to be a little bit different based on the chemical properties of what you're looking for. Um, if you're looking for food, it's also going to, um, be, it's going to behave differently. Um, food odor behaves differently than essential oil. You know, everything is going to behave differently depending upon the chemical properties. Air flow is the same, but how that odor moves within that airflow is going to depend on the, the, um, chemical properties of what is producing that odor of the molecules that are escaping, um, from your hide. So for essential oil, it gets big, it goes up. You know, if you're doing other stuff, it may not, it may drop a little bit more easily, or it may not get as big, or it may pool more versus, um, creating kind of a big dense cloud. Um, and then, and then, oh my gosh, when you have that, right. And you have that, that big, buoyant, big odor, then you add, then you add, you add the sun. Okay. Then you've got the temperature coming in. This is why this is all tied together. Right. Then you get some, the temperature, the sun coming in. And now not only is it big and voluminous, now it expands. Okay. This is kind of like, um, oh, you know, you, okay.

You, you put, you put something in your microwave and you kind of seal it up, right. It's going to kind of, you know, if you're not careful, you've got it, you've got to vent it. Right. It's the same idea. Our, when you add heat to something, it energizes all of those molecules. And when it energizes those molecules, they expand. So when you energize odor or air, actually air, and then odors in the air, it's just going to expand. So you're going to see that odor is just going to expand. So when you have big odor, like we have with essential oil and you have, um, that has a high vapor pressure, it's, it's, it's got this big buoyant odor. And then you add, um, you know, warmer, you know, you add heat to it. It's just going to get bigger. So, um, and all of this, and now your, your, your dog has to go out and actually figure all that out. Um, and, and they, they, and don't forget, they have no idea like what the rules of the game are or anything like that. So this is all, they just kind of play along and do their thing. So two kind of follow-up questions in there. So the first one, um, you're talking about how heat impacts odor. Does that mean in a warmer room, the odor is actually likely to travel further? It's going to expand. I mean, if it's a room, you know, you, you do have some walls, right. But it's going to, it's going to go out different places. But what you're going to find is that it may, um, it, it depends on where that those temperature sources are coming from. It, it, it may get big, but then it may also stay higher to the ceiling. It depends on if you have windows, like if you have skylights or something, it's just going to pull that odor right up. If you have high ceilings, it's going to pull that odor right up. Um, but you are going to find that that odor is just going to expand just a little bit more. So let's say you have, and then it's also going to vary on how much odor you put out. So let's say you put out a really strong hide and it's being exposed to a sunbeam or something. Your dog is going to come in, it's going to be like odor soup, right? So if you have, um, uh, you know, if, if you put out less odor and it's set in a cooler part of the room, you know, it's not going to, it's not going to be as big. So it's really going to depend on the micro, um, uh, you know, what, what's happening near at the hide. Like, do you have temperature gradients affecting, you know, right there at that hide? That's going to, that's going to make a big difference. Um, and then if you put out more than one hide, you know, you're, you're really kind

of, you know, like, oh my gosh, our dogs are amazing. You know, they're really amazing. They're really amazing. Um, my other follow-up question. So I know there are different essential oils that you search for. Are they all kind of similar enough that kind of the same basic principles apply? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. There's not going to be, um, that much of a difference between the different essential oils. I mean, probably like a minor difference. I mean, there is going to be a minor difference, let's face it, but, um, probably not enough that we would see as humans in terms of the dog's behavior. Um, as long as, you know, your dog is, um, working and conditioned on, on the odor and they understand that the odors that they're trying to, trying to search for, you know, um, that they should, they should all really behave similarly. I mean, I don't think you'd be able to see your dog working and go, ah, I think that's Birch. Um, you know, right, right. Um, you could look at them and go, that is not essential oil. That is novel odor. Keep moving. I mean, you should be able to see the differences there. Now, whether or not we can tell the differences and we always call it correctly in a trial. Yeah. Maybe, you know, but that, that's training and experience. Yep. Yeah. So, um, we just talked a whole bunch about some of these different pieces. So how can kind of having a better understanding of those pieces of how, um, airflow kind of impacts things affect a handler's ability to set hides in training and then ultimately, you know, kind of handle their dog in competition? Oh, yeah, definitely. Definitely. And, and the class I'm going to be doing is probably going to be more, like more exterior stuff. Um, you know, we're going to get into some of the interior stuff, but a lot of it's going to be kind of more the, um, you know, using different types of airflow to help to educate the dog. Some of it we'll be able to do inside. A lot of it we'll have to do outside. But if you can use this information to do your planning, when you do your setups, it can be so much more powerful. Um, I have a, I have a sample lecture on my class, actually, that if you want to take a, if you guys want to take a look at that, it's, it's actually kind of cool because what you can actually do, it's really cool. I use the, um, uh, my radar app to understand what, where the prevailing wind was going to go. And you can, if you can see, or where the forecasted prevailing wind is going to, what direction that's going to look like. And then actually, you can actually go to like Google earth and take a look at the search area you want to use.

And you can try to figure out like which way the wind is going to be going. You can actually help to plan out what you may want to do when you get to the location where you're going to train. Um, and it can just help you to be a little bit more, um, kind of thoughtful. Now you don't have to do that by the way, but it is kind of like a cool thing to do when you have a chance to just kind of put a little bit more, uh, structure around planning how you're going to set your hides. Because what we don't want to do is just go to a new place and go, Hey, this was like a cool place to put a hide. And then just kind of do that. Cause you know, random training creates random results. Um, always, um, the other thing that you can do from a trialing perspective, I just did this actually pretty recently where I was at a trial and I used Google earth again, just to see like what the site looked like from above. So when I saw the layout of the buildings, cause we had these big, huge search areas, this is where it really starts to play in when you have these big search areas. So we had these really big search areas with multiple buildings that we were working between. And if I knew which way the prevailing wind was coming, I knew how that air was going to wrap around the buildings. And it helped keep me out of trouble because I knew based upon the prevailing wind and how that would, how that odor was going to wrap around the buildings. I knew where the odor was likely to get trapped. And so when my dog actually went into that area, um, I, I was good and I did not call a false alert in there. And, um, so you can do it. You can do that. You can do that. Um, we had this search area. It was really cool. It was like a combination interior exterior. Um, and it was kind of this, this replica main street, right? Um, it was during a summit trial replica main street. So cool. And we also had, they had the doors open for like this barber shop and a bank. Right. And I knew based on, on the airflow that, that air would be moving, would be blowing from across the street into the bank. So when my, my dog got in there, right. And she's working, oh, she's like, oh my gosh, there's so much odor in this bank. And when I realized that there wasn't a hide there, I immediately said, we need to check across the street because I was already kind of thinking about the prevailing wind. And yeah, there were hides over there. So, um, it, it really like that type of understanding, it can be really helpful. Um, the other thing to kind of think about, um, is that when you start to pay attention to

how air moves, like for instance, how it moves around a corner or how it moves off of vertical surfaces. These are things that we're going to get into where we can start to understand what our dog looks like when they work that odor off of things like vertical surfaces or how they can use things like corners to get information about what the hide is doing. Cause very often the dog's not getting the information close to the hide. They have to get the information farther away from the hide. Cause that's where the air starts to bend around different structures. And when that odors at that air is bending around different structures, they can get directional information off of those structures and start to work it back. And if we can train our eye and we can set hides in such a way that it will do that, not only will it help us to be able to recognize it when we see it, it will also help us to set hides in such a way that our dog actually experiences that. Because really with nose work, which is very different than a lot of other sports, we're not really doing the training directly. We're not directly training the dog. The odor is actually training the dog, right? We give the dog some parameters in terms of what we want, but ultimately how we set hide, the odor does the education. So we need to be able to set a hide that then educates the dog, but we have to do that in a thoughtful way so that we're like, okay, well, I need you to learn how to work the odor around the corner, right? And I need to be able to see what my dog looks like when they work that. So if I set a hide that will, on purpose, blow around the corner and maybe even catch on something in a hulcove, maybe you're down the way or whatever. And then depending upon how we approach it, we can learn a lot and our dogs can learn a lot more about the hide. Which I imagine would really strengthen their ability to correctly source in a trial situation. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Because I mean, what we're doing is we're teaching the dog how to problem solve, right? It's not about, it's actually, even though we're being judged on speed for the most part, speed just means that the dog problem solve the hide quickly. But what we're really trying to do is teach the dog how to problem solve. Because again, it goes back to all odor behaves differently. So dogs don't necessarily kind of come out of the womb knowing what birch is going to behave like, right? So we have to teach them that through the hide placement, you know, because they don't go, oh, I know exactly what that's going to do, you know, because it's going to behave

differently than other odors that they encounter. Yeah. Yeah. So we talked a whole bunch about airflow and hide placement and kind of the trainer's role. How does who a dog is kind of play into all this? How do we kind of take into account the dog's unique personality, maybe their skill set, maybe even their size, you know, what their strengths and weaknesses are when we're talking about all this stuff? Oh, totally. Because every dog is an individual, right? You're going to find that there's going to be there's going to be breed differences. There are going to be some dogs that will based upon their genetics, they may hunt a little bit differently. It's really kind of cool when you see a dog that's like bred specifically for hunting, you start to see how they naturally work game, you start to see how they, you know, and they're searching, which is kind of cool. Um, the other thing is that, um, a dog's resilience is going to also come into play. So if we set something that's kind of really challenging, but we have a dog that's not really quite resilient or doesn't have the reinforcement history to let them feel like they can be successful, you may find that it, that may be too difficult for them. So you have to kind of regulate what you set out based on the dogs, the individual dog. If you have a dog that's more resilient and has a very high natural desire to move out and seek out to hunt odor, um, you know, you can play a little bit more with that. Um, the other part that you mentioned was the dog size. That's actually huge. Um, and this is also where, you know, I've always, I'm going to put a little plug in for my little dog. Why? Right. So I've always intellectually understood the challenges of small dogs. And I have to say now that I'm running why at the elite level, now I know, now I understand. Um, and it's like, it's the difference between, uh, you know, kind of like, uh, knowing or, or, you know, like book knowledge versus not understanding, right. It is different. Right. And, um, I always kind of intellectually knew it. And now I kind of like really know it because even at the end of B3 level, the hides were not all that complex, but now he's moving into these elite level searches where I, you know, small dogs live in a different world. They really do. Everything above them traps odor. They catch odor farther from the hide and everything above them traps odor. Now they have the same amount of time. And now your elite searches are compressed in time, bigger search areas, more difficult hides, right. More complicated search areas. And they're, and they are experiencing more information.

So the more we can expose them to, and in this class, we're going to be doing a lot of single hide searches because that single hide can be very powerful to teach them how that odor moves. The more we can expose them to that, the more they can learn how to problem solve in a way that will make them more effective and efficient, I guess, actually both effective and efficient, right. Be able to solve it within the given amount of time, because how the dog experiences the odor based on their height is huge. Given unlimited time, no problem. But the problem is when we start to compress that search time. So that's the reason why we really need to like those, those small dogs really have to, you've got to work stuff like this so that they can really understand that odor behavior. But yeah, short dogs, yeah, you know, they're like taller dogs and kind of run into it. Like they can catch that odor and their nose is above the height where a lot of that stuff gets trapped. So it's actually in a lot of cases, usually a little bit easier for them. Shorter dogs, yeah, they have a harder. Yeah, they can do it. But yeah, they have a harder. And like I said, I didn't like really, really understand that. I think I mean, always, I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, they can do it. They can do it. Now I'm like, whoa, that's tough. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They can totally do it. But it's tough. It's tough. So it sounds like a lot of this is, you know, a little bit of a balancing act, right? We need to kind of set up hides to help our dogs learn how to source those more complex problems. We also need to learn as handlers kind of how to read what our dog is telling us about where the odor is coming from. So you're talking about like kind of understanding, oh, this is how my dog behaves when the odor is around a corner and some of those pieces. And then we need to be able to then read those things and train the dog. You know, the dog gets better. Your reading skill gets better. It's just it sounds like there's a lot of pieces there to level up. Can you just talk about kind of that balancing act piece a little bit? Uh, yeah, that's actually the reason why I suggest when we're doing this to know where the hides are placed. Kind of the balancing act that you're talking about, a lot of that has to do with whether or not we know where the hides are or if we're working blind hides, right? Where we don't know where they're at. And there's a purpose to both types of hides. So if we want to teach the dog problem solving, right? You need to know where the hides are located.

If we want to teach the handler how to read the dog, for the most part, we want to do known hides again, because then what you know where that hide is located. So then you're like, okay, well, now my dog is showing me in odor behavior, 100 feet to the right, which because, you know, because we're talking big buoyant odor. I've seen my dogs get an odor 100 feet away from the hide, right? So that you can start to understand what their behavior looks like as they get closer and all the different nuances, you know, when they work around the different structures. So that can really help to train your eye. The other half of that is a blind hide. And blind hides train the handler. And it really has very little, believe it or not, very little useful value to the dog. Um, but it trains the handler to give the handler confidence and understand when things are cleared and when they aren't cleared. And it, and blind hides are really just, actually, it's testing. It's not really training. I have to, I have to tell you that is really not training blind hides or testing. Um, so when we're training, having that, that, that knowing where that hide is located can help to maintain some of that balance. Um, sometimes we do have to kind of push the handler a little bit and we do a bit of blind stuff that blind hides are testing. It's not really training. Um, interesting. Yeah. The whole testing versus training thing is, um, is not, it's not just nose work. It's all sports, right? You know? Right. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, it's all sports. So, um, and then having that single hide search, it also gets, yeah, nose work is just dog training. You know, sometimes we kind of think it's like this, like this woo woo woo voodoo type of whatever. Right. Um, it's just dog training. You know, we, we split, we split what we're trying to train. We do those single hide searches. That's what we're going to be doing with the airflow class is splitting. Right. We're one concept, one, just one. Let's work on one concept at a time. Right. Um, is that we use splitting, we use, um, you know, or it's all about clarity is all about, you know, the, you know, using the different D's and everything. Right. It's just dog training. So, um, yeah. Um, so you mentioned the class. Let's, let's talk a little more about the class in particular. Um, what are you kind of covering in that class? They're in prerequisite skills teams need, like what level should people be at? Yeah. It's, it's going to be a little bit of an exploratory class. So a lot of it is going to be teaching, um, a lot of scent theory.

There's gonna be a lot of scent theory in it, but there's also going to be some experimentation where I want you to try to, you know, give yourself a little bit more. Uh, I want you to do a little bit more planning in terms of how you set your hides. We're going to be exploring the different facets of, um, how odor behaves when it, um, goes around surfaces. How, when the dog encounters diffuse odor, like, so odor that may, um, be widely dispersed and away from source. You know, there's a lot of learning how to read your dog in those sorts of areas. Um, a lot, there, there's going to be a lot of, uh, skill building from that perspective. And because of that, the search areas that we're, I'm going to be encouraging people to use will be fairly large, right? So you're going to want to think about maybe making your search areas a little bit bigger than normal. Um, this is not a class to take and then go to your training building and to work in your training building where you work in all the time or a class where you can work in your house the whole time. Um, I, you may find something you can do at home, but a lot of this is you're going to have to, you're really going to have to get out and train in either novel places or places that, you know, that, um, and any kind of know where that, what the airflow is going to do. So it's, it's going to try, I'm going to try to push people's boundaries just a little bit. And because of that, I would say it's a more advanced class. Um, you know, it, because you, you've got to have a dog that's comfortable in searching those different areas. And if you are, if you're a more advanced, um, handler and you are training mostly at home or mostly in your training building, it's actually probably a pretty good class of maybe get you to bust out of that shell a little bit and, you know, go out and look for different places to train. Um, so it could, it can help you with that as well. Um, but I would say it's definitely a more advanced class. Um, it's definitely geared toward, uh, people who are, who are comfortable searching, um, bigger search areas. Um, if you're, you know, kind of just started getting into that, um, it's probably not, not bad either. Cause it can kind of push your comfort zone just a little bit. But, um, also the cool part is, is I have, I also have a really awesome teaching assistant who is, um, highly, highly skilled, um, in airflow also. Um, so we have a lot of support for our, for our bronze folks as well. So I just want to, want to put that plug in as well.

But, um, yeah, I would, I would definitely say it's, it's a, it's more of a, of an upper level class, but, um, but it's going to be, there's going to be a lot of scent theory. So it's, it's just kind of some really good information there and hopefully kind of push people to kind of think about, um, how they set their hides, uh, in a way that will educate their dog, um, using airflow. So we're going to be talking about like what drives airflow, like how to, how to leverage that, you know, how to teach, how to teach a dog to learn from that. Yeah. Yeah. Um, what else do you have coming up in the schedule? Oh, I've got some, I've got some cool stuff. I've got another class actually, um, that's all about inaccessible hides. And, um, you know, I was telling you that, you know, it's just dog training. We split, split behaviors, right? So my inaccessible hides class, it's kind of like my container class that I just ran where I take something and I kind of, you know, break it out into the, the formula pieces so that, you know, it's just splitting all the pieces out so that then when we put it together, we have a really great performance. So the inaccessible class splits all that stuff out for your contained inaccessible, your deep inaccessible and your high inaccessible, um, hides. I have that coming up. Um, I have a workshop, well, uh, workshop currently going, but you know, depending on when this airs, um, on, uh, multiple hide searches, uh, webinar coming up on, um, which is going to be more like blowing odor. We're going to be using a lot of fan drills for that. Uh, that's coming up and I'm teaching NW 120 this term, which is getting, uh, taking those brand new skills. All those students learned in one-on-one they're going, oh my gosh, it was so, uh, the best one-on-one. Well, they're all the best, but, um, they're all just really, all these like, oh, the dogs searching these interiors. And now we're just going to bust out of their shells. And we're like, okay, now we're going to, we're going to take that and we're going to create some really powerful, really like goods, beautiful searching solid foundations. Um, and the other elements get you out outside, get you searching vehicles, starting buried, doing some more containers, you know, searching novel areas. That's where we make nose work really fun. And we start, we start at NW 120 to just say, all right, now the world is your oyster. That's what NW 20 is about is the world is your oyster. That's that class. Awesome. Um, any final thoughts or key points you kind of want to leave listeners with? Oh, yeah.

Um, you know, you, you get what you reinforce and, and, and, and, and when you, and, uh, and the other thing is that random training creates random results. And the idea behind doing, uh, like for instance, these, this, these, this airflow class is to try to keep you from having those random results. I want you to have good results. I don't want you to have random results. I want you to have really good results. So to have good results, you've, you've got to learn about the airflow and you've got to be able to leverage the airflow. Um, and you can use it in your trialing because then you understand what your dog is telling you because you've learned about airflow. Awesome. If nothing else, that tip about, um, checking the prevailing wind, um, of a search area before you get there. Like, I mean, I feel like everybody can just right after this, go apply that, that piece. Oh, yeah. I was there like, I looked at the prevailing wind and I have an Apple watch and I'm like, okay, let me look at my compass. All right. Which way is North? Um, I don't, I was probably, I don't know, maybe I was the only one that were doing it. I'm like, which way is North? Which way is North? I'm like, oh, you know, winds coming from the Northeast. Okay. I'm like, cool. All right. We're good. Um, of course, you know, wind does shift a little bit, but you do have the prevailing wind, which is your, your primary. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Awesome. All right. Well, thank you so much for coming on the podcast, Daisy. This is fabulous. Oh, this is a lot of fun. This is a lot of fun. Thank you for having me. Absolutely. And thank you to all of our listeners for tuning in. We'll be back next week with Chrissy Schrantz to talk about their latest adventures and building an excellent recall. If you haven't already subscribed to our podcast in iTunes or the podcast app of your choice to have our next episode automatically downloaded to your phone as soon as it becomes available. Today's show is brought to you by the Femzy Dog Sports Academy. Special thanks to Denise Fenzy for supporting this podcast. Music provided royalty free by bensound.com. The track featured here is called Buddy. Audio editing provided by Chris Lang. Thanks again for tuning in. Happy training. Thank you.